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Comments on: The Data Science Central “Incident” https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/2015/07/08/the-data-science-central-incident/ Documenting my path from "SQL Data Analyst pursuing an Engineering Master's Degree" to "Data Scientist" Fri, 02 Jun 2017 20:04:19 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Data Science Brand Development Strategy Babble https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/2015/07/08/the-data-science-central-incident/#comment-3324 Fri, 02 Jun 2017 20:04:19 +0000 https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/?p=548#comment-3324 […] my face on the internet – and, given that a well known ‘data science influencer’ makes remarkably crude commentary, I have very good reason not to post […]

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By: Marianne Pelletier https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/2015/07/08/the-data-science-central-incident/#comment-3321 Wed, 31 May 2017 15:46:48 +0000 https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/?p=548#comment-3321 Ugh. There is never any excuse to describe a person with that kind of immature tantrum, regardless of his victim status. Thanks for alerting me, Renee.

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By: Mike https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/2015/07/08/the-data-science-central-incident/#comment-3270 Sat, 06 May 2017 20:27:20 +0000 https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/?p=548#comment-3270 In reply to Tangentgirl.

On the purported “stanford phd” on the second linkedin page: here are the 1500 or so stanford phds from 2008: https://searchworks.stanford.edu/catalog?utf8=%E2%9C%93&f%5Bgenre_ssim%5D%5B%5D=Thesis%2FDissertation&per_page=100&range%5Bpub_year_tisim%5D%5Bbegin%5D=2006&range%5Bpub_year_tisim%5D%5Bend%5D=2010&search_field=dummy_range&view=list&range%5Bpub_year_tisim%5D%5Bbegin%5D=2008&range%5Bpub_year_tisim%5D%5Bend%5D=2008&commit=Apply

and here are the 32 published by the CS dept: https://searchworks.stanford.edu/?f%5Bauthor_other_facet%5D%5B%5D=Stanford+University.+Computer+Science+Department&f%5Bgenre_ssim%5D%5B%5D=Thesis%2FDissertation&per_page=100&range%5Bpub_year_tisim%5D%5Bbegin%5D=2008&range%5Bpub_year_tisim%5D%5Bend%5D=2008&search_field=dummy_range&view=list

I actually checked 2006-2010. No Cordan.

Granville is a blowhard – his comments on primes are laughable (“prime factorisation via data analytics”), and his suggestion that one might use a “fast” calculation of pi to generate pseudorandom numbers shows a deplorable lack of computer science knowledge (any first year CS student could prove that that cannot cost less than O(n) time per random number extracted from the sequence – and O(n) space to track the state required to calculate a sequence of length n – whereas there are plenty of existing (good) generators that are O(1) in each).

I’ve occasionally landed on one or another of his “data science inventions” (eg: “hidden decision trees”) which, on close inspection, have turned out to be either pedestrian (insofar as his descriptions can be deciphered) or garbage.

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By: Bill Kimlet https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/2015/07/08/the-data-science-central-incident/#comment-2665 Tue, 19 Jul 2016 23:36:17 +0000 https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/?p=548#comment-2665 I can’t believe I’m just seeing this for the first time today. You’d think this type of lunacy would be reserved for politics, with science rising above the fray. But sadly, we know this not to be the case.

Kudos on your diligent expose and factual tone throughout. It makes the facts impossible to ignore.

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By: Ryan Rosario https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/2015/07/08/the-data-science-central-incident/#comment-2651 Sat, 09 Jul 2016 19:28:05 +0000 https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/?p=548#comment-2651 By the way, I knew DSC was fishy when they proudly wrote an article saying the AVERAGE Data Scientist makes $400,000 a year…

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By: Ryan Rosario https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/2015/07/08/the-data-science-central-incident/#comment-2650 Sat, 09 Jul 2016 19:13:41 +0000 https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/?p=548#comment-2650 I’ve seen some of his responses to people that question some of the things he posts. He is very nasty to people. I’ve seen it with my own eyes on LinkedIn. It’s really… weird.

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By: Renee https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/2015/07/08/the-data-science-central-incident/#comment-2334 Tue, 01 Dec 2015 02:00:32 +0000 https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/?p=548#comment-2334 In reply to SC4649.

I’m pretty sure that problematic vaccination article is still up under Vincent Granville’s name (which is good since he actually wrote it).

Thanks for the positive feedback!

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By: SC4649 https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/2015/07/08/the-data-science-central-incident/#comment-2333 Tue, 01 Dec 2015 01:25:04 +0000 https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/?p=548#comment-2333 Wow…thanks for this post…I was really annoyed and rather upset by _Amy_’s post on how data science was misused to justify vaccination. Had no idea “she” was fake…I stumbled upon your blog while searching for “her” article on DSC, and couldn’t find it but found yours instead…
I’m not in data science anymore but I hope word spreads about DSC so that less people are affected fooled by it…
Thanks again!

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By: Renee https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/2015/07/08/the-data-science-central-incident/#comment-2033 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 02:14:47 +0000 https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/?p=548#comment-2033 In reply to Matt.

Wow! Thanks for reporting the incident!

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By: Matt https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/2015/07/08/the-data-science-central-incident/#comment-2032 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 00:01:39 +0000 https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/?p=548#comment-2032 I stumbled across his company AnalyticsBridge on Crunchbase and emailed them about his fraud and overall bad behavior.

Them emailed back today… they deleted him! Both the personal and company profile.

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By: Renee https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/2015/07/08/the-data-science-central-incident/#comment-1916 Sat, 11 Jul 2015 06:53:07 +0000 https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/?p=548#comment-1916 In reply to Tangentgirl.

…wow!! I guess nothing should surprise me anymore on this site.

“I don’t mind if my neighbor’s 8-year old kid is in a wheelchair and will never walk or talk and requires lots of medical care and special education (it’s my neighbor’s problem, not mine, I never mentioned such kids should not be allowed to live)” – what if he had a child that was wheelchair-bound himself, would he see him or her as a “problem”??

Yeah totally terrible that he posted that under a fake woman’s account. I notice the comment about discrimination still being “allowed” for women. No wonder he used “feminist” as an insult in his rant against me.

I’m glad to create a sane space! The thing that upset me the most about Data Science Central is that prominent people in the community were/are sharing their posts, and therefore the site is ranked highly in search results and seen as a “centralized resource” for newcomers to data science, and newbies (like I was) will subscribe to the site (like I did) and be turned off by it after slowly realizing it’s not valuable content to a new data science learner, and often downright “bizarre” as you said. The last thing I want to happen is women that want to join this profession get turned off by seeing “leaders” in the industry talk like he does! (or actually think a female data science blogger, seen as respected with so many connections on DSC, would write a thing like that!)

Anyway, thanks for the info! And welcome :)

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By: Tangentgirl https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/2015/07/08/the-data-science-central-incident/#comment-1915 Sat, 11 Jul 2015 06:52:51 +0000 https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/?p=548#comment-1915 Wow, that’s crazy regarding the LinkedIn account. And I love it when someone’s response to criticism is to block/insult/cry harassment.

Thanks again.

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By: Renee https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/2015/07/08/the-data-science-central-incident/#comment-1913 Sat, 11 Jul 2015 06:42:36 +0000 https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/?p=548#comment-1913 In reply to Renee.

Here’s Amy’s DSC profile from archive.org for posterity:
https://web.archive.org/web/20150315040635/http://www.datasciencecentral.com/profile/Amy
The LinkedIN profile wasn’t archived.

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By: Tangentgirl https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/2015/07/08/the-data-science-central-incident/#comment-1912 Sat, 11 Jul 2015 06:39:11 +0000 https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/?p=548#comment-1912 Yeah, I’m done with DSC/Analytic Bridge. I’ve been overwhelmed with the number of websites/courses regarding Data Science anyway. Good riddance.

There was this gem from the same post…a comment from “Data Science Girl.” The screen shot was of poor quality so I just grabbed the text:

“Just to clarify – I do not condone eugenics. If this is what you think, then I guess I did not express myself clearly. My point was about debunking the myth that anti-vaxers are the only ones being egoist (by being careless about spreading deadly diseases), offering a different perspective and showing that indeed, pro-vaxers are just as egoist because of the consequences discussed in my article.

Also, I guess it applies mainly to US, where the handicapped lobby is very powerful and non-handicapped kids in schools are discriminated against handicapped ones (in terms of tax dollars allocated per kid). Severely handicapped are entitled by federal law to much more expensive educational services and funding in public schools. Why spend all this money on kids who will never talk or read or write, rather than on African American kids who are disproportionally found in under-funded school districts? The issue is compounded by the incredibly high cost of healthcare in US. While it is now politically correct to say that you don’t want to pay high insurance premiums because of smokers, it is not politically correct to say that you don’t want to pay high insurance premiums because of people who generate huge health expenditures over many years. Yet that’s how it works with car insurance: you cause many accidents, you pay more.

I don’t mind if my neighbor’s 8-year old kid is in a wheelchair and will never walk or talk and requires lots of medical care and special education (it’s my neighbor’s problem, not mine, I never mentioned such kids should not be allowed to live), but I do mind if I have to pay for this, via taxes (special education) or increased health insurance premiums (though I did not have health insurance till now, but now it’s mandatory and everyone pays the same except smokers, woman and older people, for whom discrimination is still allowed). That’s the flip side of the coin that few people see.”

Utterly bizarre. And as a mother to girl on the Autism Spectrum, “her” swipe at Special Ed funding fully engaged my rage station.

Thanks again for shining a light…and thanks for giving those screen shots a permanent home. I’m following you on Twitter and just subscribed to your Women in Stats/Data Science list. Best of luck to you and thanks for creating a sane space…haters gonna hate!

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By: Renee https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/2015/07/08/the-data-science-central-incident/#comment-1911 Sat, 11 Jul 2015 06:35:36 +0000 https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/?p=548#comment-1911 In reply to Renee.

Wow, you’re right, he totally deleted “Amy” and that article… maybe all of her articles? She was formerly listed as one of the top bloggers on the site. I guess he decided not to keep posting under her name now that the cat was out of the bag about her being a made-up person.
http://www.datasciencecentral.com/profile/Amy

The vaccination article still comes up in the site’s search results at the moment (as does Amy’s profile link), probably because the metadata is indexed, but when you click through, the links are dead. Her name is still on the “top DSC bloggers” list here, but the links are broken:
http://www.datasciencecentral.com/profiles/blogs/200-top-bloggers-on-data-science-central

Wowwwww….. look what happened to Amy Cordan’s LinkedIN profile! He took away the name, the fake PhD and fake activities and everything… I wonder how those 50 people feel that endorsed Amy and now look like they’re endorsing “Data Geek” with no profile!
https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=262678435

Here are screenshots from a year ago when I first posted about this:
https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/amy_cordan_1.png
https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/amy_cordan_2.png
And now:
https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/amy_data_geek.jpg

This sure is confirmation that we were correct about “her”!

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By: Renee https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/2015/07/08/the-data-science-central-incident/#comment-1910 Sat, 11 Jul 2015 06:25:19 +0000 https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/?p=548#comment-1910 In reply to Tangentgirl.

Hi Tangentgirl,

Thanks.

Yes I have seen that post before and I couldn’t believe that he was basically saying that if we didn’t vaccinate, the “weaker” children would die and we would have a lower incidence of autism, etc., while also criticizing the analysts. And while saying that *they* make data scientists look bad – ugh. I have chalked it up to the general craziness and sketchiness that is so often displayed on the site. There is similar “sketchy analysis” that will generate the “are you really going to post this on a public site?” related to tax evasion and other disconcerting topics. Worse, he posts it under “fake Amy”, probably so if the controversial topic creates a negative reaction, he can just blame “her” and take it down. Don’t be surprised if your DSC account gets suspended or your twitter account gets blocked by @datasciencectrl. His method of dealing with those that disagree with him appears to be “silence the naysayers”.

Thanks for sharing the screenshots. You linked to your whole twitter account, and the tweets there will move down your timeline, so I’m going to post the full links to the tweets with the images below.

Renee

Screenshots of anti-vaccination article from Tangentgirl:
https://twitter.com/derivative_of_f/status/619742869268488192
https://twitter.com/derivative_of_f/status/619742971458531330

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By: Tangentgirl https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/2015/07/08/the-data-science-central-incident/#comment-1909 Sat, 11 Jul 2015 05:43:48 +0000 https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/?p=548#comment-1909 Hi Renee,

Sorry you had to go through this! Something about DSC and Vincent always rubbed me the wrong way. Then they re-tweeted a post regarding vaccines that made my jaw drop (I have a recently acquired M.S. in Biostatistics and am a Public Health fan girl). I went back to show the post to a friend and the post, and all signs of “Data Science Girl” were gone. Screen shots at https://twitter.com/derivative_of_f

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By: Renee https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/2015/07/08/the-data-science-central-incident/#comment-1901 Wed, 08 Jul 2015 06:56:21 +0000 https://www.becomingadatascientist.com/?p=548#comment-1901 By the way, if Vincent Granville had stopped using the fake Amy account after our complaints (instead of changing her name to “Data Science Girl” and promoting her as a top blogger on Data Science Central)
http://www.datasciencecentral.com/m/blogpost?id=6448529%3ABlogPost%3A212468
or if I didn’t keep hearing reports of people’s comments on his sites or LinkedIn groups being deleted, I would not have had to keep “warning” people about his sites.

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